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Message 23185 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 20:20:30 UTC

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    I have sent up trickles over the past few days, but all my projects on the web site show that the last trickle received was the 13-14-Jun. Are trickles sitting in limbo somewhere, and not getting posted to their correct job, and credit not being given?

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    Message 23186 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 20:55:58 UTC


      Hmmm. Bit early for me to tell yet...

      13 Jun 2006 06:49:43 405299 1921937 sulphur_innl_200870465_1 2 151,228 1,359,978 3.3132
      10 Jun 2006 19:47:09 405299 1921937 sulphur_innl_200870465_1 2 140,426 1,324,217 3.3132
      07 Jun 2006 12:09:58 405299 1921937 sulphur_innl_200870465_1 2 129,624 1,287,847 3.3118

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      Message 23187 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 21:01:41 UTC

        I\'ve not received any update on trickles since the 11 Jun.

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        Message 23188 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 21:04:59 UTC

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          It\'ll get sorted out sooner or later, but may be a while. The trickles are uploaded, just not processed yet. RAC will go through the roof when it all goes through!
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          Message 23191 - Posted 17 Jun 2006 21:41:26 UTC

            I think that Tolu said somewhere that there was a trickle server problem, and the backlog had built up a bit. It\'s supposed to be running now.

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            Message 23193 - Posted 18 Jun 2006 7:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 23191.

              Doesn\'t appear to be running yet...


              I think that Tolu said somewhere that there was a trickle server problem, and the backlog had built up a bit. It\'s supposed to be running now.



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              Message 23227 - Posted 19 Jun 2006 21:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 23193.

                Doesn\'t appear to be running yet...


                I think that Tolu said somewhere that there was a trickle server problem, and the backlog had built up a bit. It\'s supposed to be running now.




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                Message 23230 - Posted 19 Jun 2006 23:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 23227.

                  Right -- the numbers are pretty much frozen for close to a week now. Not that big a deal, I have multiple projects, and simply suspending Climate is what I\'ve done so as to not have a large building backlog of work awaiting assimilation by the Borg trickle monster.


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                  Message 23238 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 9:49:20 UTC

                    ...and - as usual - no official word on this?
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                    Message 23239 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 10:57:50 UTC

                      could someone, anyone give us a update................... and maybe a timeframe when issues will be resolved. Thank You
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                      Message 23241 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 12:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 23239.

                        could someone, anyone give us a update................... and maybe a timeframe when issues will be resolved. Thank You


                        If we (thouse of use who are donating our computer system time, and bandwith are to so very limited extend co investigators we are being treated like CRAP. The lack of communications speasks volumes about the professionalism of the group of individuals who are running this program amd my support of this particular program is being tested to point where my particpation is now being questioned.

                        I can understand when things do not work and that it takes time to determine the problem, determine a solution, and finally fix the problem, but the KEY is that one must keep the other team members informed. An maybe you are keeping the other team members informrd and we (those of use who are donating our computer system time) are not team members

                        SO WHAT IS THE STORY
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                        Message 23243 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 17:35:35 UTC

                          Sent a PM to Tolu on the other Forum.

                          I\'m reminded of the old saw that, when one is up to one\'s neck in alligators, it\'s difficult to remember that one is supposed to drain the swamp.


                          Meanwhile, the watchword is patience. There is no budget for a Communications officer for the Project and Tolu is, for now, minding the store alone. Perhaps we could cut him some slack?


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                          Message 23245 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 18:09:18 UTC

                            I look in to this asap.
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                            Message 23248 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 21:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 23243.

                              Sent a PM to Tolu on the other Forum.

                              I\'m reminded of the old saw that, when one is up to one\'s neck in alligators, it\'s difficult to remember that one is supposed to drain the swamp.


                              Meanwhile, the watchword is patience. There is no budget for a Communications officer for the Project and Tolu is, for now, minding the store alone. Perhaps we could cut him some slack?




                              Thanks for the update. It is appreciated!
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                              Message 23252 - Posted 20 Jun 2006 22:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 23243.

                                I understand the patience thing, I joined SETI classic over 5 years ago and started the BOINC project stuff back in 2004. The thing regarding communication is a conundrum, but a simple \'flash\' bulletin on the home page to the effect of:

                                We are aware of a problem with xxxx, and are looking into solutions.

                                At least that would get some of slack needed by providing the impression that information exchange is part of the human condition. Uncertainty always adds to anxiety and, in an informational vacuum, a pretty standard reaction is to turn up the heat (heat manifesting as increased angst in the message boards).

                                Climate has been quiet in terms of problems at least until April of this year. As problems start becoming a more frequent visitor, communication to the masses becomes more important.

                                Over in SETI land this has been something that has generated lots of discussion (and angst) as they encountered problems over the years. But there is a much larger population over there and they are VERY vocal.

                                The thing is, until this Spring, SETI was very much on the leading edge of encountering problems, with the extra funding they got during a fund raising effort to the SETI/BOINC community, they have made some significant strides, both in terms of actual stability, and in terms of communications. However, the unreliability/communications virus has seemingly been transferred -- to both Einstein and Climate over the past few months.

                                As for me, if I observe an unresolved problem for more than a couple of days with no notice provided, I first revise my resource shares, then suspend the non-functioning project. If things get really sad, I detach workstations. I\'ve only needed to do that a few times.

                                These days I run five projects spread out in my population, Einstein has gotten the largest share over time but with the problems over the past months, it currently is down to number 2 over the past couple of weeks. SETI has gotten the second largest share overall, but is my current number 3. Climate has the third largest cumulative credit, but is now number 5. Climate BBC has the fifth largest cumulative credit and is fourth over the past few weeks. World Community Grid has become the new darling for me, having risen to fourth overall and first over the past few weeks.

                                Total credits

                                Einstein 1.2M
                                SETI 775K
                                Climate 346K
                                WorldGrid 86K
                                ClimateBBC 27K

                                Previous Week Credit

                                WorldGrid 14.3K
                                Einstein 13.5K
                                SETI 9.1K
                                ClimateBBC 2.3K
                                Climate 0.9K






                                Meanwhile, the watchword is patience. There is no budget for a Communications officer for the Project and Tolu is, for now, minding the store alone. Perhaps we could cut him some slack?



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                                Message 23263 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 9:47:46 UTC - in response to Message 23252.

                                  BarryAZ : My sincere apologies. This will be rectified soon.
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                                  Message 23264 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 9:54:07 UTC

                                    Interestingly, I\'ve just noticed that the BOINC stats on the front page hasn\'t been updated since the 11th.

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                                    Message 23269 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 13:39:50 UTC - in response to Message 23245.

                                      I look in to this asap.


                                      Thanks Tolu, much appreciated. Can I have bonus points now, say your 269,440 credits? 8-D No, oh well. ;-)


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                                      Message 23271 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 14:09:09 UTC


                                        Thanks Tolu! Glad to see you have brought out the tool kit....

                                        BANG BANG CRASH CRASH.......

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                                        Message 23278 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 16:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 23185.

                                          Hi,

                                          The last Credit I received was 13th June, from looking at the graph/Statistics page in my BOINC Manager. I have now suspended CPDN until further notice to try to help alleviate the situation. Maybe if everyone could suspend it for 24 or 48 hours, that would be a massive help to the project, so that the server can cope with the backlog.
                                          One step backwards....two steps forwards!!

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                                          Message 23285 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 18:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 23278.

                                            One step backwards....two steps forwards!!


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                                            Message 23292 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 19:06:24 UTC

                                              Well, a bunch of trickles have been posted to my WUs. So, the next credit update I will jump a lot!

                                              Looks like they got some of it fixed!

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                                              Message 23294 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 19:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 23292.

                                                Well, a bunch of trickles have been posted to my WUs. So, the next credit update I will jump a lot!

                                                Looks like they got some of it fixed!


                                                Roger, that.

                                                Received a PM from Tolu (on the other Forum) that they had problems to resolve but things should catch-up soon.

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                                                Message 23297 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 20:08:15 UTC

                                                  hopefully we\'re caught up, there was an esoteric glitch that crashed the trickle processor, but it is fixed now.

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                                                  Message 23301 - Posted 21 Jun 2006 22:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 23297.

                                                    hopefully we\'re caught up, there was an esoteric glitch that crashed the trickle processor, but it is fixed now.



                                                    Thanks for the Update!
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                                                    Message 23308 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 3:23:26 UTC - in response to Message 23292.

                                                      Well, a bunch of trickles have been posted to my WUs. So, the next credit update I will jump a lot!

                                                      Looks like they got some of it fixed!



                                                      Well, for me about 20 trickles got posted, but at this stage exactly zero credits. I think \"some\" is the operative term here. :-)

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                                                      Message 23310 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 3:27:59 UTC

                                                        Thanks.

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                                                        Message 23311 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 3:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 23310.

                                                          credits can take up to 24 hours to process from when a trickle is reported; also the server is a bit behind in processing the trickle data files (used in the plots), but it will catch up in a few days!

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                                                          Message 23313 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 4:20:12 UTC

                                                            Credits are currently posted once per day. I believe it currently happens between 07:00 and 12:00 UTC. This changes every so often, depending on how the servers have been worked on.

                                                            So I suspect within the next 8 hours we will see a bunch of credits.

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                                                            Message 23326 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 10:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 23311.

                                                              Well, for me about 20 trickles got posted, but at this stage exactly zero credits. I think \"some\" is the operative term here. :-)

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                                                              credits can take up to 24 hours to process from when a trickle is reported; also the server is a bit behind in processing the trickle data files (used in the plots), but it will catch up in a few days!


                                                              Thankyou MIW and thankyou Carl. Saves me a question. ;-)


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                                                              Message 23343 - Posted 22 Jun 2006 21:08:38 UTC

                                                                At last !!!! Thanx... the points are rolling in.


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                                                                Message 23469 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 17:24:31 UTC

                                                                  It seems the trickle server is having issues, again. Last 48 hours my RAC has dropped, and no credit has been given, even though I know I have trickled up.

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                                                                  Message 23477 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 19:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 23469.

                                                                    It seems the trickle server is having issues, again. Last 48 hours my RAC has dropped, and no credit has been given, even though I know I have trickled up.


                                                                    Right, I can confirm this.

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                                                                    Message 23478 - Posted 5 Jul 2006 20:23:05 UTC

                                                                      Add me to the list... :/
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                                                                      Message 23479 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 3:42:06 UTC - in response to Message 23478.

                                                                        Add me to the list... :/


                                                                        Add me as well. Seems there is a need to have a \'kick the database\' function available...

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                                                                        Message 23487 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 14:21:07 UTC


                                                                          Thought I\'d seen the same thing so checked our team totals and they are way done for yesterday. Seems to happen every now and then. If it hasn\'t picked up in a day or two I may start to worry. Don\'t want all that work disappearing.


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                                                                          Message 23491 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 17:54:34 UTC

                                                                            And the server status page hasn\'t updated in 24hrs or so either soooooo....
                                                                            I guess there just ain\'t no cure for the summertime blues?
                                                                            On the other hand the seasonal attribution project seems to be cruising along just fine....
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                                                                            Message 23497 - Posted 6 Jul 2006 22:38:23 UTC - in response to Message 23487.


                                                                              Thought I\'d seen the same thing so checked our team totals and they are way down for yesterday. Seems to happen every now and then. If it hasn\'t picked up in a day or two I may start to worry. Don\'t want all that work disappearing.



                                                                              If you look at the http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=cpdn
                                                                              page you will see that it does not happen now and again, it happens all the bloody time. Climateprediction have by far the worst record of any project and their servers limp along from one crisis to the next. I would not be surprised if there was not a total failure one day. However I have not heard of any data loss.
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                                                                              Message 23501 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 1:37:49 UTC

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                                                                                Wellll... it looks like someone kick-started the server again, but the transitioner backlog is listed as 73 hours, so even if everything is working correctly it may be a while before we see any trickles/credits posted...
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                                                                                Message 23507 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 7:23:06 UTC - in response to Message 23501.

                                                                                  Wellll... it looks like someone kick-started the server again, but the transitioner backlog is listed as 73 hours, so even if everything is working correctly it may be a while before we see any trickles/credits posted...


                                                                                  This is not the number that worries me, and it drained to 0 by now. The real problem is this:

                                                                                  Workunits waiting for validation: 98,994

                                                                                  This may take days to drain...
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                                                                                  Message 23509 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 7:49:37 UTC

                                                                                    \"Workunits waiting for validation\" is a useless statistic in cpdn.
                                                                                    According to Carl, it\'s just the accumulated number of models returned, both good and bad.

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                                                                                    Message 23514 - Posted 7 Jul 2006 10:36:32 UTC - in response to Message 23479.


                                                                                      Add me as well. Seems there is a need to have a \'kick the database\' function available...


                                                                                      Perhaps we need a full-time \'database kicker\'......



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