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Message 56456 - Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 7:30:59 UTC
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It seems unfortunate that since late 2015, compute contributions to ClimatePrediction.net have not been eligible for GridCoin (a cryptocurrency: https://gridcoin.us/ ) rewards.

Seeing as GridCoin is currently worth a non-trivial amount ( https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gridcoin/ ), although there is no guarantee, perhaps it would be a good idea to re-qualify for GridCoin credits. That's because the GridCoin reward may motivate more individuals to allocate more compute power to CPDN.

Here is the list of currently "Included" (eligible for GridCoin reward) and "Past" (not eligible for GridCoin reward) GridCoin projects: https://www.gridcoinstats.eu/project

Here is the GridCoin homepage: https://gridcoin.us/

Finally, by supporting GridCoin, CPDN would itself be making a small contribution to reducing some of the causes of climate change: For example, the leading cryptocurrency at this time, Bitcoin, uses quite a bit of electrical power ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dxhdh/putting_bitcoins_energy_usage_into_perspective/ ) to do only make-work, whereas GridCoin focuses on . . . projects similar to CPDN.
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Message 56463 - Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 6:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 56456.

From memory, there are two problems with this. One is the upgrade/switchover of the site so everything is on htpps including the downloads of work units isn't complete yet. The other possible issue is the intermittent nature of the availability of tasks.

My understanding is it is the first of these that is the barrier to climateprediction.net re-joining and the date when the change is finally made may be at the whim of Oxford University rather than in the hands of the project. Certainly in the past year there have been times when the project is down where this has been the case.

While I certainly would not object to earning some grid coin for my crunching, the fact that a lot of the time there are more cores out there looking for work than there are cores to crunch it means only occasionally would the extra crunchers be of benefit to the project. A bigger issue is reliability.

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Message 56538 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 4:13:35 UTC - in response to Message 56463.

Thanks for the response.

I personally look at CPDN at a different angle. I feel this is a valuable project and having more exposure (through places such as Gridcoin) would do wonders for this research. I've been crunching BOINC projects for over a decade, so the money while nice, has never been the main reason I contribute.

As far as making the whitelist, I believe SSL security with the GRC network is the primary concern. There are projects which previously ran out of work, and were temporarily removed from the whitelist for that time. Projects can always be voted back in when work becomes abundant once again.

I keep reading more articles that describe how poorly this planet is doing.. Hopefully Oxford makes this switch in the near future!

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Message 56539 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 13:24:02 UTC - in response to Message 56538.

Totally agree that the money is not the main issue - if it was, I wouldn't be crunching only this project except when it runs out of work! As it is, I haven't crunched enough of anything on the Gridcoin list to get any coins yet!

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Message 56619 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 18:46:57 UTC - in response to Message 56463.

From memory, there are two problems with this. One is the upgrade/switchover of the site so everything is on htpps including the downloads of work units isn't complete yet. The other possible issue is the intermittent nature of the availability of tasks.

My understanding is it is the first of these that is the barrier to climateprediction.net re-joining and the date when the change is finally made may be at the whim of Oxford University rather than in the hands of the project. Certainly in the past year there have been times when the project is down where this has been the case.

While I certainly would not object to earning some grid coin for my crunching, the fact that a lot of the time there are more cores out there looking for work than there are cores to crunch it means only occasionally would the extra crunchers be of benefit to the project. A bigger issue is reliability.


I believe the main concern for the Gridcoin guys now is simply the speed that the statistics are generally updated; CPDN does this weekly, where most projects do so daily, which may lead to unfair results regarding payment on the Gridcoin end, particularly with the often intermittent number of WUs available one week to the next, or even one day to the next.

If the situation can be resolved so that CPDN returns to daily updates (as it was in the distant past), there's a reasonable number of Gridcoin users prepared to vote to whitelist once again. Seem to recall Team Gridcoin were once the top contributors to this project, and that was before Gridcoin was anywhere near profitable.

As for the SSL stuff, I think the Gridcoin community is happy to see it as a work in progress and so long as the main sections are running smoothly with this, isn't such a big issue as it was 2 years ago.

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Message 56620 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 19:21:19 UTC

I believe the main concern for the Gridcoin guys now is simply the speed that the statistics are generally updated; CPDN does this weekly, where most projects do so daily, which may lead to unfair results regarding payment on the Gridcoin end, particularly with the often intermittent number of WUs available one week to the next, or even one day to the next.


The weekly update of statistics has been covered in another thread. Not entirely sure but because of the load on the system recalculating the credit it was suggested it may well be that Oxford Uni, IT people have told the project they have to just run this at weekends. It takes the best part of 24 hours for the credit script to run. (For some time it was running on Mondays.)

With regards to the intermittent nature of the work, there is no prospect of that changing in the near future. If I hear of any of these barriers to being awarded gridcoins for our efforst changing I will post about it as soon as possible.

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Message 56637 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 15:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 56620.

Yeah we were hearing it's down to the university and not the project also. It's unfortunate but perhaps when they next choose to upgrade things we'll see some progress back towards the daily updates :)

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Message 56902 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 12:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 56637.

And it seems I am not eligible to vote for CPDN being whitelisted.

Sorry, When voting in a Both Share Type poll, your stake age Or your CPID age must be older than the poll duration.


I think, I need to run enough non cpdn work to get some coins/microcoins before I can start taking part in polls.

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Message 56906 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 14:24:29 UTC - in response to Message 56456.

I seriously doubt that the GridCoin people are going to white list a project that can’t or won’t keep its credits totals up-to-date.
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Message 56912 - Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 9:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 56906.
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I seriously doubt that the GridCoin people are going to white list a project that can’t or won’t keep its credits totals up-to-date.


I do too, haven't looked into it closely enough to know how much influence the votes actually have on the decisions.

Edit: The website states clearly that it is a community decision, though it looks like only a small percentage of people vote.

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Message 56928 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 7:38:58 UTC - in response to Message 56906.

Hi folks,

There is a thread about CPDN and Gridcoin criteria for whitelisting projects, where we discussed some of the major issues. Almost all of them were mentioned here:
1. SSL - to be launched eventually
2. Reliable supply - nowadays we see more WUs, but users can simply switch project
3. Up-to-date statistics - for the last 1/2 year even the weekly ones do not run and we have credit gaps as long as few weeks to months.

So my understanding after all the talks at Gridcoin is that until 3 is properly dealt with, there is a slim chance for CPDN making it back to the whitelist. Of course Gridcoin community should also formally agree (i.e. via vote) what are the criteria for whitelisting projects. So far there is an indicative list and the Gridcoin community falls short on making it official. While I personally believe it is about time CPDN fixes the credit script (or write a new one) so it runs smoothly I also believe Gridcoin should do its part to accommodate better non-daily statistics update in their client algorithms. After all Gridcoin claims to support science not the other way round.

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